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Lecture in finnish. @Karde just started.

live stream: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/linked-...

Journalists, editors starting to realize it's possible to distribute news in other formats than the traditional news format – but there are obstacles.

Advertisements and banners as business model -- creates barriers and problems to new ways of providing news data.

Challenge: Money - "linking outside means people will go away" - what is the business model for publishing open linked data?

Money invested to tech side of web journalism - new servers, CMS etc. - content from editorial departments

Editorial departments do not innovate - it's not something they are familiar with (there are other reasons too)

Challenge: Ethos - role of journalist = produce order from chaos of raw info - publishing unprocessed, raw info is against the ethos

Journalists don't trust the audience
- comments on news articles are considered crap, only smearing the work, counterproductive
- what would the audience do with the raw data anyway?

Journalists fear to loose the news (to competing journalists)...

I wonder if powerful enough peer moderation (such as in Reddit) in news comments could be useful. Imagine, finding non-idiot content in hs.fi comments!

How to educate journalists about the web and it's possibilities? Should the web technology be part of their education? I think it would be very useful, if they would have knowledge about the possibilities in (at least) general level.

Linking sources presents an obstacle for money making scheme. Seems to me like the scheme should change instead of the way we use information. Are there alternatives?

At the same time journalists are afraid of giving out their sources, why? Whitepapers also publish sources and are therefore considered quite reliable. From a consumer or user point of view, I've often felt that articles without actual sources are not too trustworthy.

What is it that journalists do? They are processing information in a certain way and then offer that processed information to consumers. How different is that from linking the original sources?

Guardian is innovating in the field and see themselves partly as a platform rather than a content producer, see the captivating presentation attached to this article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/help/inside...

"Google's New Meta-Tags For News Story Authors"
http://slashdot.org/story/10/11/27/01...

Journalists could benefit from users' comments at least by updating the article if relevant information comes up.

That person who first creates a working business model, other than walled garden or ad based, for web content will be rich :D. I would guess quite many people are trying to do it all the time.

@Kjue The BBC revised their linking guidelines a while ago and now encourage journalists to link to original sources (ie. directly to the research paper instead of the publishing organization's website) and analysis is preferred over other news articles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2...

@mplaine Of course, the information from the comments must be verified first independently before updating. But yes, news organizations should definitely keep their eye on the content of the comments (other than moderation) and take part in the discussion as possible.

Journalists could benefit from being the first ones to report a new source and writing an article or some small note about it. Google's meta-tags could maybe assist in this and give credit where it's due.

@mporkola I think that would be a great idea!

Ministry of Justice plans an API to get election results, but it's not yet ready. What is the current distribution mechanism, I couldn't quite follow?

Comment: perhaps election result data (and tax data, in Finland) could be considered as "data" media companies are publishing.

Kari: also Vaalikone type of data could be interesting.

Examples from slides:

http://data.nytimes.com/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/databl...
http://beta.yle.fi/aselaki/

@Karde notes that Google is only driving people away from their site – and still people come back! Why not do that on a news site, too, by linking to high-quality sources and references?

News sites don't like to link outside, because that "drives away" people. But the only thing Google does is sending people away, and the people keep coming back!

Why Gawker is moving beyond the blog: http://lifehacker.com/5702409/

Create original content that is not easily copied and re-packaged – through data visualizations etc.

@osma I think @Karde said getting the data very expensive for YLE, so it must be some kind of closed and proprietary thing. E-mails? :)

@mporkola Thanks for the clarification! I follow the stream but missed this part.

Journalists think that the front page of a website is the same thing as frontpage of a newspaper – a decision point of what to read – but that is not true (anymore). People land increasingly to single content items (articles, songs, etc.)

Missed the talk today =(
Was there any talk about iPads etc. and their effect on the development of the journalism industry? I heard HS is developing an app for Ipad.

In spring I was listening to this seminar:
http://www.seco.tkk.fi/events/2010/20...

Mikael Jungner (still in YLE back then) talked much about his mission to open massive amounts of data and information possessed by YLe.

I wonder what happened to this project when Jungner left YLE...

ouzo: You can watch the talk from ustream: http://www.ustream.tv/user/mediatekni...
3 last lectures are archived there.

@pia I know, just don't have the time and patience now =)

@ouzo, yes, hs has been - haven't seen the app though - developing for ipad. At one seminar their estimate was that there could be about 100 000 ipads in Finland at the end of the next year. We'll see.

Paul Allen's semantic portal Evri - http://www.evri.com/ -
http://corporate.evri.com/about-us/
can perhaps give journalists a new point of view to Linked Data and Semantic Web.

http://www.evri.com/technology/semant...
Have you tried this? What do you think about it?

As a journalist I would like to have my article to be seen here. Would it be possible to link articles so that the reader can find also my older articles, when he likes tha new one?

I am not sure if the portal can learn things about the user - for instance to give articles what I like? Maybe it gives the most popular articles.

http://www.evri.com/business/alternat...

Linked Data at the Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/open-platfo...