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Metadesign and Strategic Design For Open Design Projects

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pe3 posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

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pe3  

Massimo Menichinelli

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pni  

openp2pdesign.org

pni commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

Thesis about how to enable a community to participate in design.

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

wired: open source everywhere: http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11...

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pni  

Open Cola on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola...

pni commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

nice - a lot of urls

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

http://www.thinkcycle.org mentioned as one background project

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (fi)

matnel  

(pe3: english)

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

@matnel: thanks - remember to tag your commets as english

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

p2p desing - nice sounding term

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

Complex open p2p systems can solve complex problems => thus this is interesting.

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Mmm, mmm, does he approach open from open source? Or, am I still a bit too lost. OS communities can handle complex systems, thus...

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Is complexity good?

No, it's not - it allows choices and thus opportunities

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

open tools + open process = enabling open systems

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

process

  • people (social network)
  • platform (rules, roles, ...)
  • collaborational mode

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hanspoldoja  

Open p2p process is more complicated that closed proprietary process:http://www.jlcarneiro.com/images/blog... vs http://kde-files.org/CONTENT/content-...

hanspoldoja commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

open collaboration as an activity system

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

@hanspoldoja: or, closed system don't publish their complexity outside :)

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

massimo uses service design methodology for analysing open source activities, interesting

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Participation matrix

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

Reinikainen  

Does anyone have good links for for network analysis tools?

Reinikainen commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

@reinikainen, wonder if @ubiq could hint on a few, I recall some being mentioned in soe Qaiku threads

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

@Reinikainen: I've used Ucinet

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

It's such a pitty we couldn't have Massimo and Jiri here at the same time :-(

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

@Reinikainen - @ubiq knows a lot about that

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Hmm... Can the society cope with openess? What threads could you see as open becomes more popular?

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

@juhak: I remember the electric car community discussing their car project as a service at some point.

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

Reinikainen  

Thanks for those tips!

Reinikainen commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Open desing is.... lot of different projects.

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

SannaM  

@matnel, good question! in the panel in the afternoon we'll try to address this and other challenges, and find solutions / proposals together

SannaM commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

HW is hard for OS compated to meta-objects

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

@pe3 hmm, i have to think about this for a while. not sure if they're 100% compatible

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

bug labs

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Open design: first you design it, then you publish it

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

@juhak: with a licence that allows certain things

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

@juhak: if i remember it correctly the idea was that you could see the movement (community, events, digital tools, car prototype, digital documents, social connections,...) as a service - the car is just a byproduct

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Source map is a tool for increasing transparency of supply chains

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Many people are creating different tools for similar things, should there be a push to try to create a more common platform?

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

@matnel I think this is what Massimo is trying to do

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

Reinikainen  

Makers faire! Met these guys recently http://makerfaireafrica.com/ excellent development hacktivism

Reinikainen commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

@juhak; mmm

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

SannaM  

really good article by Gerhard Fischer "Meta—Design: Beyond User-Centered and Participatory Design" link to pdf

SannaM commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Material >< immaterial resources

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

wake up @teroheiskanen - open money being discussed :-)

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Business model, marketing, ...

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

the question about money and funding comming up again

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

economics, business models & open.source -issues => great lengthy topic :)

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

@pe3: not a surprise, open as a business still need to develop (or, we need to drop consept of money...)

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

"They tried to do everything themself" (why Open Moko failed)

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

if one party in a value web (or such) is open, the others proprietary, it's difficult...

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

SannaM  

Massimo's presentation slides

SannaM commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Several different business models at the same time.

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

@troppone: even if everything is open, they still need to eat -> money need to come in somehow.

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

Digital divide (or, something like that) in discussion.

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

Reinikainen  

I would be careful at relying on local governments as the source of funding, we are notoriously risk averse institutions, and there is still a great perception of risk in investing in open design processes.

Reinikainen commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

@matnel Yep. This of course is at the very core of open source issues.

Again, going back on previous stuff, a lot (certainly not all) of business, funding, etc. is based on creating new tools, software, etc. for proprietary purposes, companies don't e.g. see it fair to help others by releasing stuff or contributing to OS projects...even if it could help them (and their competitors); but the same is true for other (non.company) funding too.

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hanspoldoja  

Open P2P Design book: http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback... (free PDF)

hanspoldoja commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

good question pe3!

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

@pe3 brought up the interesting idea, that e.g. in eCars, designers should think about "designing the movement", not the car. Did I get it right?!

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

I created new thread if open can success

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

teroheiskanen  

@pe3 thx for the wake up ping, I was on the move this morning.

open money and non-monetary collaboration coming up in every corner, you say. Doesn't suprise at all. Where is open there is self-organizing ande where is self-organizing there is no role for traditional money.

teroheiskanen commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ubiq  

@troppone I'm a novice with SNA still =) @Reinikainen as @matnel said, Ucinet is de facto standard software (like Photoshop in digital imaging), but it has quite high learning curve on the beginning. For OS X, there is Agna which is quite user-friendly. One quite comprehensive list of SNA tools is in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_n...

ubiq commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

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