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juhak  

Panel for 4th session

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juhak posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

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troppone  

@pe3 it's a great, funny point. The hats we use to engage in discussion w/ e.g. governmental organisation :)

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

research hat can be serious - or very funny, a propellerhead, right?!

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

petteri's hats: researcher, civil servant

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

Reinikainen  

Ha ha! True!
I wear different clothes depending on which party the politician I'm talking to belongs to. Correct clothing choice yields different levels of engagement.

Reinikainen commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pni  

The hats change according to social norms? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norm_soc...

pni commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

matti: researcher hat outside (not marketing person from nokia). Inside: social scientist hat with coders and coder hat with marketing people

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

I can really relate to @matnel 's social science vs. coder hat
not marketing Nokia is good marketing

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

sandra: researcher from Taik hat, artist hat (cheap prices)

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

Lumi: on embodied experiences as a question for the panel

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

aharju  

Well, then the true deliberative practice would be to change hats for a minute with people your are discussing with to understand where they come from and why they speak as they speak -> empathy (instead of choosing the strategic hat to the situation and hiding under it ;)

aharju commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

open= making your hat explicit? (the one you are wearing and the others you have in stock)

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

@aharju I like that idea too

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

aharju  

@andreuchis Yes! To tell them what hat you are wearing today...

aharju commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

aharju  

...(and tell them too that you have these other hats at home)

aharju commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

Probably concrete hats are used in discussions as facilitating tools? Should be used more!
(i've never concretely worn one, would like to try it)

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Sandra: It's important to be where the people are

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

audience note: a huge difference between voting and democracy

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

aharju  

@troppone You should start wearing them. Maria Lund told in today's newspaper that she loves men who wear hats :D

aharju commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

@troppone Six thinking hats by Edward de Bono

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

@juhak one issue with de Bono hats is the "thinking" part

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

From the audience: Perhaps there's not a need for more tools, but concepts for how to use them. Example: Uni Brennt

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

bobotus  

Sometimes it might increase the impact of your point of view, if you present it from under the "wrong" hat. For example marketing idea from under a coder hat.

bobotus commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

@andreuchis Please elaborate :)

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

@juhak I'm aware of this method, though haven't tried. Are there concrete hats, too? Like the IDEO cards?

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

@troppone I haven't used it either. I think firstly it is a metaphor but I've heard of sessions where there have been real physical hats used.

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hongisto  

voting as participation - open ended dialogue area, solution for deliberation, let's have a street in every corner instead of number crunching

hongisto commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hyvaelama  

tent ?

hyvaelama commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

khk  

@hyvaelama in the last presenter's video there was a tent....

khk commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

@hyvaelama, I think you might have missed it, it was in a video. A tent "without an obvious purpose", i.e. a place to hang out. We should have more!

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

@hyvaelama and Teemu was proposing that is great idea for supporting deliberation. Put Sandra's tent in every corner

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Question on the court case of Kaljakellunta

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pni  

@hyvaelama the thread with a link to the video is this: Canva(s)s

pni commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hongisto  

deliberative thinking cannot be put in a tool - it is a mind set - would the process of creating a tool exemplify the mind set and actually adopt that mind set?

hongisto commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

khk  

it is a question about where is responsibility situated....

khk commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Spam: remember to vote for the best presentation and video :) http://opensymposium.net/2009/best-pa...

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hanspoldoja  

Kaljakellunta 09: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUrmjy...

hanspoldoja commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hongisto  

follow the rules of the context or brake the context - is this the polarity we are doomed to?

hongisto commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

Can society handle moving to a more open environment, or do we need control? Good question!

However, is it just for a transitory period? Will society transform to handle the openness?

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

bobotus  

Maybe the role of society is to support the social ad-hoc events, by providing security, trashcans etc. It's really sad if the only way to make something interesting is to make it commercial...

bobotus commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

@bobotus: Good point! I hope society would take that role.

But I do think there is an intrinsic conflict in supporting events like Kaljakellunta, that clearly need security and infrasctucture (trashcans), when the concept is pretty much unsupportable (getting intoxicated in water - recipe for disaster). I have no idea how that could be solved. Besides, throwing in the mix the double morality of our socity ("yes, of course we support events where the point is to get drunk, pleople need to relax - no, of course we don't support events to alter mindstates with any other stuff, no, don't you know those are BAD") the end result is quite a mess.

One problem is that providing support for an event is interpreted as endorsing it. Then again, if support would be "automatic", maybe that interpretation would go away. Maybe. There's still a risk of false security "Well, never mind, the fire rescure service is there so we're safe, right?"

Also, there are interests that are even more in conflict. What about organizing a paint-ball event in the middle of a city? Sure, participants would love it, but the involuntary participants would not. But if we're open, shouldn't an event like that also get support...

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

bobotus  

@ikajaste true, kaljakellunta is a problematic example, but the underlying idea that individual event organizers and ad-hoc events get free support from the local government and city is something to think about.

And since all ideas cannot be supported, this becomes a great platform to test the effect of deliberative democracy on where to direct the society's support.

bobotus commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

@hongisto: maybe, maybe - but, it's hard to co-desing with 5k persons or even with 50 persons.

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

matnel  

About the tent in every corner. It's a good idea, but more costly compared to creting virtual 'tents' ;)

matnel commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

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