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khk  

Axel Vogelsang:
Visual Design in the Age of the Network

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khk posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

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juhak  

Interest in how to deal with text, images and design in the age of network.

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

Axel is from Luzern

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

roots of graphic design in the greek(?) word of Graphein (strong relationship to text)

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Image by Marinetti "At Night in Her Bed"

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

My favourite, Saul Bass mentioned

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

posters by Saul Bass (ref to classical modernism)

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Designer is modelling himself after the artist as "a lonely genius"

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

"Artist is a very closed system"

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

hongisto  

A finished piece of art is a closed system, unless one included the audience in the production

hongisto commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

The End of Print: The Grafik Design of David Carson

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Grunge design? (by David Carson)

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

Reinikainen  

You can follow Axel on twitter here http://twitter.com/Vogelsang1

Reinikainen commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

remember http://bit.ly/open-summary - what do you remember from today? from yesterday?

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pni  

Carson ran one story in Zapf Dingbats, because he thought the text was so dull :)

pni commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

Gabocorp (old) flashy website now

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

Thank the gods Gabocorp was not the new era in website design. :)

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

Techno fliers (put your shaders on please asks axel)

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

"you have to exhaust the computational potential of the computer before you can understand it"

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

It might be important that text is processable (different rendering, feeds, etc), visual or aural stuff is a lot more context-dependent and technically problematic.

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

rules, grids, templates

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pe3  

no more heroes

pe3 commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Designers role:
1. Design possibilities
2. No more heroes
3. Print and the digital
...

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

print & digital, print as an interface to the digital, and its implications

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

5. transdisciplinary design

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

"Delegating design responsibility to the audience itself..." Interesting.

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

6. Changing literacies - authorship is changing, so are many rules

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

4. Individualised Aesthetics
5. Transdisciplinary Design
6. Changing Literacies (issues of authorship, norms are starting to integrate)
7. Co-Design
...

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

8. New Tools (programmers with GD skills and GD with coding skills)
9. Too much information
...

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

Design : not to inform but to irritate ;-)

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

troppone  

7. co-design
8. new tools (...programmings skills typically needed...)
9. TMI - inform vs. irritate
10 - cross-cultural design - proximity does not create understaning as such

troppone commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

10. Cross Cultural Design

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

templates, building blocks, stakeholders, limited control, new strategies to compete for attention

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

If visual designers start to need programming, I hope programming will learn something from visual designers - for example the fact that the structure of modern Object Oriented code is inherently not linear text, but would be better represented as visual concepts.

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

juhak  

Designers are preparers of templates and modular blocks. Have only limited control of the visual output.

juhak commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

andreuchis  

@ikajaste the dont "start to need" ... many already have. I invite you to come and see students in our media lab and graphic design department...many are very talented coders

andreuchis commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

pni  

@ikajaste print designers do well to know about different papers, printing inks and maybe even know how to use a printing machine, in same way those who do web will do well by knowing that environment.

pni commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

@andreuchis: Good correction, you are right. Unfortunately I haven't yet seen any feedback to the programming profession, unfortunately. Well, it's still a rather recent developement.

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

mace  

@ikajaste no programming is linear: it's not programming if it is. Also, an esthetic concept of beautiful code exists, with (at least) two aspects: the visual layout of the sourcecode, and OTOH the functionality of the program.

mace commented on posted to #OPEN2009 Helsinki 06.11.2009 (en)

ikajaste  

@mace: Yes, but OOP is non-linear in a very concrete way. The programmer is defining different code-elements, and their relationships. The order in which this definiton is presented doesn't affect anything, so it could easily presented in a non-linear, visual way. Within the functions themselves, programming still follows linear practices - but I do understand that the concepts aren't inherently linear themselves, even though they are being presented in that way.

ikajaste commented on posted to #OPEN2009 06.11.2009 (en)

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