#Qaiku

I don't know about all the users, but Qaikustanian Finns use alot a short comment that is +1, when they want to express that they agree with something in the thread.

I think that instead of showing all the +1 comments under each others, this could be added similar kind of "feature" than what RT stands for in Twitter (re-tweet).

So when I want to express that I like this thread, I just write a comment beginning with +1, and if that is the only content of my comment, it won't be showed like a normal comment, but instead at a separate info screen (sidebar, for instance) for this thread is visualized how many people "like this" thread.

Optionally, it'd be nice to +1 also comments. this could happen by writing +1 @usernickname , which would add my liking to the last comment in this thread by that user.

These "likings" could be then used to rate threads in Qaiku. For instance, if there's been a content creationally rich day in Qaiku, and after work day I only want to see the "best threads", I can quickly find the ones that have received most +1 from people.

+1 this if you like this idea :)

Another option would be simple "Like" / "Dislike" -links on the right bottomn of speak bubble.
..but I like your idea of showing who is giving thumb up.

I'd appreciate command line-like simple keywords, like +1 for instance. It would not require additional shizznit into API-side either. Again, RT is simple but effective thing on Twitter (and we may need it in the future in Qaiku as well) and this would be easy way to add new functionality without putting more icons or any other graphical stuff on screen.

Would showing how many people have favourited a thread do it?

+1 for +1, -1 for -1 :)

I think that a "dislike" feature is not needed, possibility to report unappropriate content to administrators will do. Enabling disliking would only cause problems...

Facebook-style thumb up icon would be fine for me too, I don't think one extra icon would do much harm, and people are pretty used to that from other services. It might be more difficult for newcomers to adopt to the +1 thing, I think. But both will do.

@bergie I don't favorite threads that often but if there was a like button in threads and single comments, I would be much eager to click it. I sort of want to save the favorites for the best of the best, whereas liking could express that this was at least "one of the best today" or something like that...

If we had proper favouriting we could use that as basis for some relevancy calculations for even better Popular Qaikus view in Pulse. Karma for Qaikuers might also be interesting

I use the favorite-function to bookmark stuff, not so mich to express my "liking". I definitely see need for both functions, separate (+1 and favorite, that is).

Another nice feature of "like" could be, showing original message in friends' streams, instead of meaningless "+1" message

What about +2 and -3? or <3, <2 and <4?

Just a comment about Like vs Favourite... In my mind they are slightly different things. Like is something like a Digg/RT feature, whereas a Favourite (also in Twitter) is something I've marked to come back to later (either from my mobile or from the web).

I mark posts with interesting links to big articles, etc, as favourites, but I'm not expressing my opinion of the post/article, I'm merely flagging it for later. If I Like/Digg something I'm expressing that I like it, and other than that I have no real need to see it in the future other than as part of my normal stream.

One issue though might be the terminology used... Like or Agree? You don't 'like' a bug/feature request, but you would 'agree' with it, but on the other hand, you 'like' an interesting thread, but you don't necessarily 'agree' with it.

for me, I like much the implementation working on Friendfeed: maybe we could use their model? just my two cents ..

@dsample i think like works well enough, i could imagine myself using it in circumstances where somebody has made a feature request that i agree with

@indeyets so "liking" a post would make it visible to your contacts too, a bit like "retweeting" on twitter?

@bergie yes. but it is not retweeting, as it still would show original item. that's how it works on friendfeed.

You really should try to use friendfeed for a week. It will provide some inspiration

@indeyets yes, obviously showing the original message makes more sense. Retweets are an ugly hack :-) @tepheikk what do you think?

"Like this" would be a nice feature. I feel more comfordable "liking" stuff on FB than posting smileys on Qaiku.

I'm not sure if "+1" is the right way to implement it. Unless I'm mistaken, +1 is most commonly used as a way to do a "show of hands" type quick poll .

We'd be shifting the meaning from "I agree with your plan" to "I like this post". It might be hard for both new users and those who are used to the notation.

@mandri proper meaning is even closer to "I recommend this post"

I might not like events described in post, butstill feel, that those are important and should be "shared"

Mauku 2.0 uses the term "forward"

@bergie "forward" means retweet. that's separate, imho

there are situation when you want to make a strict retweet and it shouldn't be mixed with "like"

@indeyets semantically there are four different actions user could theoretically want to take about a post: forward it to their friends, show that they like the post, bookmark it for later access or reply to it. But if we provide all of these the UI becomes quite cluttered

@bergie again… does friendfeed UI seem cluttered? I have quite an opposite feeling

@indeyets FF UI doesn't look too bad. But it doesn't really promote conversations, either. They're mostly just an aggregator...

@bergie you must be joking…

http://img.skitch.com/20090806-87weis...
That's almost 30 comments on one screen

@indeyets matter of preference :-) But yeah, that view you screenshotted doesn't really entice me to have a conversation

each comment brings the whole topic to the top of the feed, so discussions are not getting lost fast

@bergie actually IMHO friendfeed DO promote also huge conversation (or at least, do allow a huge number of comment)...

For example, I just found one conversation of about 300 comments..
http://ff.im/6dVFG

@all, we'll be thinking about adding some way of showing 'liking' in the near future. We are going to develop the favorite/bookmark button a bit further, but we will consider "me likes this" feature as well.

@indeyets, in my eyes ff screenshot looks a bit cluttered, but on the other hand, i hear people saying the same about qaiku's ui and of course they are right at least to some extent. I think, as @bergie said above, it's a bit matter of the preference after all; after you use something for a while and learn yourself around the ui, it might not seem too cluttered at all, even if it might seem quite cluttered to some noobie.

Btw in qaiku you can keep track of conversations on the 'participated' page on your profile page.

@mcastel, did we ever tell the story where in the early days of qaiku some finn qaiku users decided to find out how Qaiku behaves if there's 1000 comments in one thread. At least in a technical sense, i think we passed :)

@bergie, about the cluttered interface, you could do a similar thing to Twitter and have the 4 buttons appear when you hover over the post within the normal stream, and on the thread view it could just show the options like you do on the right already for delicious, etc. I would think it would be quite clean if done right.

The hover-over effect is also done in Tweetdeck, but the buttons cover the avatar, which I don't like so much.

I don't like FriendFeed promoting spam and redirects because its nice tracking features? I neither like the concept of showing comments on openening, immediately under a post, "Hello, I commented and I'm still nice". Qaiku is revealing itself as the best mix, that I really like.. technologically drinking. Probably, also the Favorites are better than Liking or Likeing [=I'm nice LIKE this guy]..? nor it is possible to invent something completely different on the Favorites? you could show, tiny tiny, the number of favorites(500) received from a post for example.. Liking crashes a bit against the Favorites concept, it is also that? @mcastel

@DanieleBeta I believe it's good idea to invent something based on favorites.
Could favorites provide way of categorizing them? For me some of them are
- Todo
- Check later
- Links
- Discussion
...
...

Some of those categories could be common for all and easy to pick when making as favorite. Also some of those could be directly counted as you told.

@dsample, not a bad idea at all, thanks for the tip! We'll definetely think about this approach and see if it would be possible to implement it in qaiku in some smart way.

@ile, hmm, maybe. The biggest challenge is not the technical one but the usability and the ui side might be a bit challenging. I think we'll have to move and evolve a bit step by step here and see what works and what doesn't :)

..on the interface the favorite could be helped by a cascading list of stars of different color for every category, private or public, set by the user inside the preferences. "Favorite" could become "Star" and "Starred", gmail like.. a midway? Everyone can see your public lists and subscribe to them? @ile

@DanieleBeta For basic user there would be only "personal favorite" in use, so they would see only current star. For advanced user thet could visit their preferences and activate different categories. UI gets more blurred for them but only if you ask for it ;-)

How do you calc "+1"'s`? All marks to any public category would be counted and used for : Show "likes count" and bringing popular Qaikus to Pulse (like @bergie said)

mm.. likely the private star are not conducting to something funny, but its bookmarking could be anyway evidence of importance. Indeed, pulse could be intriguing with qaik flagged by private stars only: a change to the interface of qaiku by the developing team could take attention, and this is nerd, a trick to get interest.. but probably, in the interest chain, there is missing the star for private qaik, the perfect improve to mirror the human nature.. There is the insane behavior of some thinking to manipulate the rating system by private stars but this will go to be sorted out itself by the time. My favorite..is for both public and private and yes, its amount @ile

@Kriisi well, that is, again, why friendfeed-model was mentioned in this thread. Friendfeed clearly shows list of people, who "liked" the posting, and, still, doesn't occupy space by giving each of those separate line.

+1

Since Qaiku is about discussions more than about tweets, it might be more suitable to allow +1 for comments instead of complete qaikus. I might agree with a comment (which could be a disagreement with the original post). As of now, I'd probably just say @dsample +1 since I agree that +1 is about agreement, not liking.

Parsing these kind of "per comment votes" automatically/heuristically would of course be cumbersome - and so would be displaying the results. However, you might try to create some kind of reputation calculation based on these +1s...

Like previously argumented, "+1" is being used more as a sign of agreement or a communication shortcut than liking. "+1" is being used in so many ways in different centexts not only here in Qaiku, but also around the web so I would consider leaving that alone - people get more out it as it is.

Somekind of liking feature could be nice, but personally I find Facebooks "N.N. likes this" -feature somewhat awkward because most of the entries aren't something to be liked, but all of them are something that can be acknowledged.

Maybe somekind of "I noted this" (huomasin, huomioin...) -feature? Depending on the context it could be understood as "liking" but also as a more general sign of approval or just a way to say that "you are being heard". It's hard to "like" something that is bad news.

There could be a button for it and something like "+!" could be used as a textbased command.

Btw. how many uses the Qaiku's "save" -feature? I don't like it. One thing is that the command is "save" but the title "favourites" (at least in Finnish) - why the positively biased tone in the title? The other is that it looks like a private function (like bookmarking) but the list is public to anyone - it's not your damn business what I bookmark (maybe I would like to follow some controversial thread that boils my blood, but I don't want to give an expression that favor that kind of talk..)

</srs discussion>How about "+ <3" for liking? :)<srs discussion>