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OpenID @ MindTrek. Chris Messina
bergie posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Story about the death of Pownce
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Not just loss of data, but loss of relationships, and no way to tell them where to go...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
when Pownce went down people lost the relationships and identity they had built there
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
data is not important, action around it is
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
Reminds me of big Jaiku exodus in Finland
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
"brand-mediated identity" mainittu ("brand first, then me")
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
This will become more and more relevant!
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
"data capital" (vrt. social capital) & social objects mainittu
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
when you put your identity on a social site you cannot control it. The branding is of the site, Twitter, Facebook or Qaiku. Your home page doesn't have that limitation
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
@simison the jaiku exodus is a good example as many contacts were lost as people dispersed to different, incompatible services
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
social capital from statistics. "wouldn't it be amazing to see how many people read a book in 1800s?"
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Activity streams - all the data we create matters #mindtrek @chrismessina
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
activity streams - personal, but also related to social objects (and representations - currently just atom/rss)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
@bergie: though Jaiku is still online. We where thinking first Brightkite and then ended up to Qaiku. When it comes to Pownce, in two weeks there isn't such a possibility of comparing "the next place".
So: when you are going to quit any social service, pleace give us more time. :-)
Edit: or use Chris's idea.
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
you follow "people", not "people through sites/services", why the need to join as service just to follow a friend...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Jyri Engeström mentioned as an innovator.
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Following people, not service would be the key in the future.
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
Data capital is what matters, not tools.
totoroki commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
distributed social network: connect social sites through feeds. You should be able to follow a person in your preferred service regardless of what service they use
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Facebook vs. OpenId will be the platform war
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
document-centric web => people-oriented web migration
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
The next competition is between Facebook Connect and OpenID
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Not everyone owns their identity in the future, but they must have a possibility
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
Not too many people in the audience realized they have an OpenId...just a handful...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
FB restricts your identity to one commercial provider. With OpenID you can choose between providers or run your own
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Estonian gov is already using OpenId
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Estonian national identity card provides an OpenID
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
7/2009 there are over 50 000 services using OpenID.
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
@eholmila: remember, facebook connect isn't only option. ;-) (Qaiku uses it.)
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
USA government planning to build on existing open id system.
totoroki commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Question from audience: what happens when you have multiple OpenID accounts?
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Multiple OpenId's mentioned. Wlll be touched later on. Right now the advice is: pick one like you pick a bank...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Identity is the platform (arguments to follow)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Mozilla is also looking at OpenID and portable identity. Having it in the browser would be a big thing
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
twitter, google, others are starting to do verified accounts so you can know people are who they claim they are
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
You need to keep your OpenID password very secure and of very high quality. Of course putting all your eggs in one basket increases risks.
tarmo commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Todays social media: people don't use nicknames anymore, they are visible with their own names (and birthdate etc). => How about problem of one password? (OpenID)
Maslow's hierarchy of needs
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
"Following People" seems to be a verified trend in the Finnish Social Media scene. We find the same "faces" and ID's in several channels. People work with multiple projects and themes - and they use different platforms for separate projects.
visualradio commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Microsoft clippie (dumb asshole) and iTunes 9 compared
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
yelp iPhone app mentioned (any experience anyone?)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
3. (?) - facets, activities, connections.
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
yelp iPhone app - Some people in Demola @ Tampere where building similar program on Symbian.
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
iPhone's augmented reality apps let you take your social network data out to the real world. Yelp used as example, friends' reviews drawn on top of restaurant you're looking at
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
@simison Nokia Research Center has similar stuff too...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
We need to come up with programs/webapps that understand multiple sides of your personality. Different info for different audiences: family, co-workers, old friends etc
With OpenID you actually can choose.
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Right now only one facet presented though, it would make sense to show e.g. old high school friends something different than e.g. professional friends (even on the same service)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
dopplr mentioned - and what's next for those users...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Identity providers are starting to merge their UI conventions, but actual sign-up screens still suffer from "the Nascar effect" (too many logos to choose provider from)
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
About dopplr .. you can take your data with you, but you loose your connections between friends there...
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
OpenID is a key to digital self-reliance
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Dopplr owned by Nokia. Remember case pownce now.
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
Security of id's asked about (Swedish hack mentioned)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (en)
eventually OpenID must provider larger set of services than only identity: friends, activity feeds and so forth
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
so, when will qaiku support OpenID? Preferably both ways
bergie commented on posted to #seminaarikannu Hotel Rosendahl, Tampere, Finland 01.10.2009 (en)
Are all presentations available on Slideshare ?
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
Enterprice social collaboration panel is about to start...
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
@troppone Again...uuuh..you guys and your threads... :-D
hessuj commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 01.10.2009 (fi)
Video of keynote: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/10/01...
Another video: http://www.andreavascellari.com/?p=31...
Slides: http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2009/10/01...
simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)
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