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Adam Greenfield - (Do projects): "Elements of a networked urbanism"

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simison posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Yeah @simison vaikuttaa hyvältä! Well-delivered speech... :)

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

by end of 2008, over 50% of human population live in cities

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

dense, competitive, "anarchic" chaotic matrix

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

end of 2012, networked sensors will account for 20% of non-video internet traffic (Gartner)

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

component => resource

e.g. sidewalks etc. become in fact resources with Open API's, scriptability etc.

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

things that build our cities, are not anymore just building -blocks. in future, when you can query any object on the street, we are living in a network of resources.

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

constant => variable

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

We understand our cities trough information what we can get to our hands. Before it was hard to find or read. Not anymore, things are getting more open.

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

latent => explicit (example with emotions mapped on a map/graph) - who's the guy,. Nold?

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Everyblock service in NYC (note to self: check it out)

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

=> information causes tension

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

browse urbanism => search urbanism

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

When we have huge amount of information available, we go from browse urbanism to search urbanism. Like finding a good bar/restaurant for you - we ask from services like google.

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Is it this one? http://nyc.everyblock.com/

touqo commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

expert city user's ("knower") pride => what's gonna happen?

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

yeah thankns @touqo this is a public data thing, too

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Examples from Finland anyone?

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

We're going to be able to "read our cities better" with more open and available information, right? How are we going to interact with the more "readable urban structure" and interact with buildings and things (thing-links, sensors)? Any ideas how our behavior will change? Who benefits? Commerce or the citizen or the society?

visualradio commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

ron jeremy in a shoebox

ekurvine commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@simison, from Twitter by @asmunder: Adam Greenfield just pretty much described the http://Eat.fi search in his presentation. ;) #mindtrek

touqo commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

held => shared
expiring => persistent

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Before our memories where in a shoebox - now eveything is in Facebook.

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Sharing easier than keeping to yourself.

touqo commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

big cities have always provided anonymity. but no more, because of search urbanism.

ekurvine commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@touqo: yeah, eat.fi is perfect. Also kebabille.com and dopplr.com

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

deferred > real-time

Barcelona air quality mashup shown (another Apps4dem -type app)

passive -> interactive

wayfinding -> wayshowing

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@visualradio, give us a moment to hear and think :)

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

In future we will be flooded. :-/ Can we handle all this?

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

McLuhan: "every extension is also an amputation"

=> living in a fog, relying on the guidance

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Augmented reality wayshowing would be so much more useful abroad, when it also is damn expensive still.. :(

Gnomet commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

wayfinding ==> wayshowing. This is reality now. What happens when networks collapse and technology fails? Do we know spaces that well anymore? Can we survive anymore without this technology?

You can have this feeling just by going to Russia. :-) Or Africa... things are not mapped that well than in Finland.

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

By expensive I mean the mobile data transfer. Wlans are good, but not very suitable for this kind of moving from place to place -scenario.

Gnomet commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

ownership -> use

(Spotify, zipcard, borrowable cars mentioned)

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

From ownership to use. Like spotify

Much more like this coming... "Do I need to own this car?"

Ecological!

This is going to do things for capitalism. Welcome communism?

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@simison, check: http://www.citycarclub.net/

touqo commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Spotify model for physical objects.. Sounds good! Expecially for the environmentally not-so-good to use/manufacture products

Gnomet commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Schellining (Stockmann's clock, an "icon") > shoaling

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Also http://kassi.sizl.org/?locale=en for listing the stuff you have laying idle in your home or carage, and puting it available for borrowing.

Gnomet commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@touqo it would be really interesting to study why the CCC has not picked up in Fin, and what would they need to do...was it just a matter of timing.

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@gnomet @kusti it really should be just kassi.org (it's a HUGE difference, sizl is so hard to remember...)

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

"the point of cities is to cause friction" (who was the author?)

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@troppone CCC has been around for 10 years already.

touqo commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

The Uses of Disorder: Personal Identity and City Life by Richard Sennett

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

anything else is a suburb...will we end up suburbanizing everything?

CitySense service

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

do you wanna live in a place where you take the comfort zone everywhere?

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@troppone You are probably right! Maybe it should be even kassi.fi at this point. We'll have to speak a little for that in the project. I think the sizl in the url doesn't help very many to find the frame project info anyway.. (and most don't even care.. :)

Gnomet commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

The community to network topic made me think what is the size of the biggest Facebook network where everybody is friends with everybody else..

Kusti commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

consumer => constituent (not just political level, but all levels), co-creating

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@gnomet Good, exactomondo. @Kusti interesting issue. Pretty sure there's a theory on (social) network sizes...

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Lawrence Lessig "code is law" mentioned...

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

http://studies-observations.com/

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

"code is law" - who said that?

edit: @troppone thanks

ekurvine commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Stepping outside from your comfort zone makes your life better. I try to practise this all the time.

We where chatting about this in Finnish some weeks ago in Qaiku. Didn't find it though...

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

@ekurvine Lawrence Lessig

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Linda Stone continuous partial attention mentioned

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

I also think that it is even strange how generaly it is true that stepping out from your comfort zone almost always makes you feel good about the step afterwards.

Gnomet commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Q: nature of attention in the future?
A: interactions will be programmed to "disturb", this will cause needs for e.g. regulations, negotation is needed

on the other hand, focused attention people will have some competive advantage

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Decluttering cities asked about?!

=> We will need LESS of things, COOL!

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

Yay! Actually it is materialism that is flooding us. Information, nada. :-)

Let's try to maintain slow life while world is changing.

simison commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

H&M Helsinki Clearchannel ad mentioned (vs. London)

"JND" mentioned (just noticable difference)

It feels better, catches still attention, London is too flashy and annoying!

This is an example of mutual respect

troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

I also saw the H&M ad and also found it very fascinating because I first thought it as a static ad and then noticed only the leaves moving and that it was a screen after all.

Gnomet commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

In London as Beijing the family name is not showen on the door, also if "open".. often is missing the property number, this is a problem.

In the big cities of today you support the other, this is both human and ecological, but few academy.

About anonymity, big world provides it when you haven't the attention of someone, and you can get it..

The train floods: http://tr.im/AqvZ but forget to pop up the stereo, either the phone.

The handleds could talk, better: twitt to the sensors and this could be amazing if u are blind or messed. Indeed personal, but public service must lead.

DanieleBeta commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 02.10.2009 (en)

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