EPACE Active Citizenship conference, day 2
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posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
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International IDEA’s State of Democracy assessment methodology tool Keboitse Machangana, Head of Democracy Assessment and Analysis, International IDEA
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
"assessing the state of democracy", orig. 2000
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
4 pillars, 15 overarching questions, 75 specific questions - Q's are in comparative mode
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
sidenote: IDEA publications utilize the Creative Commons license, great.
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
25 assesments made, just 2 by the govs though - we're hearing about the Dutch evaluation in a bit
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Case Netherlands of IDEA democracy assessment Herman Scholten, Head of the Unit for Democracy and Citizenship, Ministry of the Interior and Kingdom Relations, Netherlands
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
"Consensus democracy" in NL; compared to e.g. "pendulum dem" in the US/UK. Both of these are indirect forms.
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
challenges in NL include:
* social cohesion (incl. integration)
* freedom of speech (cartoons)
* position of pol. parties (Greenpeace and 2 seat for animal welfare parties mentioned)
* shift of power to EU & (semi)public agencies
* multiactor gov, overlapping responsibilities
* dramademocracy hypes
* decisionmaking in EU
* lack of trust in politicians
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Unit for Democracy and Citizenship made as a result; also Queen mentioned the report in the Christmas speech (as a surprise)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Hmm, when does active SoMe discussion become "hype"? Or "dramademocracy"?
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Scholten is asking for discussion among colleagues - e.g. is there a shift from participation/consultation towards self-organizing of the citizens
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Q: "How have you measured that the civil society is good in NL"?
A: Dutch lawmaking is very deliberative, real long discussions, agendas from different groups integrated
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Q: where have citizens taken over?
A: esp local level, environmental "care" - giving budget, people planning
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
2 persons were needed for several months to do the Dutch evaluation...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
looking forward to the next speaker (and to try out Qaiku)
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Building European citizenship through democracy education Björn Wallén, Director, Swedish Study Centre in Finland
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Welcome to Qaiku @cozach ! What a cool bird :)
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
formal, informal, non-formal learning should be closer to each other....it's all about learning
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Great, talking more about informal power and agenda-setting...see also
http://democracy.se/
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
If looking at democracy only as a power structure we are loosing something.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
You can test the democracy level of your organization at http://democracy.se - testing #somus right now
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
The democracy meter is fun - but hopefully useful too!
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
It takes one or two generations to build a common European identity.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
not really getting why the demometers end results are in arabic...am I missing something REALLY obvious here?
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
There are cultural, historical, and political reasons to variations in citizens' attitudes.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
oh, just realized that you need to refresh this page ... thought it was unnaturally quiet :D
and txs for the welcome
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@cozach I got the parts of the circle in Arabic but the other text was in English... But when clicking one section you get further explanations/results in English - at least I did. Weird, anyhow.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@cozach yeah... ping @eholmila, could autorefresh be coming in the near future? :)
(would be familiar for Twitter users)
Arabic results....haha.
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
... yes in Qaiku you need F5 button a lot (if you have a pc that is)
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Layers in citizenship: local, national, European, global...citizenship has a social role as well as status
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
haha, big apple on my comp - lot of clicking but not really a problem when you are aware of it -
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Freire: Pedagogy of Hope mentioned as basis for democracy education
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Citizenship as status: rights and duties
Citizenship as a social role: identity (plays a role in citizenship)
I would make a difference between citizenship as a role and as an identity... there are similarities in the notions of role and identity, but still it would be conceptually interesting and useful to make a difference between them when thinking about citizenship.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
What is the right concept / approach: active citizenship, democratic citizenship, peace education....?
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Isnt in this case assumed that citizenship = identity? Im seeing this as an inclusion issue
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@cozach yes, I think so. It is just that I've been into role theories lately... :)
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Plus, identity theories are, in my opinion, kind of a jungle - difficult to get through. So, maybe I think too much when I hear the word identity. Hmm...
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Implementation of Obama’s Open Government Plan and Democracy Renewal David McClure, Associate Administrator, the U.S. General Services Administration Office of Citizen Services and Communications (OCSC)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@aharju - but what an interesting jungle it is :)
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Open Gov Initiative - signed less than 24 hrs after Obama taking office - Transparency, Participation, Collaboration
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Transparency is most mature (has been easiest)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Participation - heavy investment, but still least developed
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Collaboration in the US has been about creating collaborative platforms (for administration) where the collaboration can happen over organizational borders.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
"it's easy" : publish agressive goals, set the deadlines - agencies will comply to deadlines :)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
How to react to what is happening around the government?
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
industrial revolution of data, data is the flint of teh next 25 yrs
"we're not creating LESS data/information in the future..."
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
presentation of interesting use cases of data analysis from various gov official perspectives
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
data.gov & the decline of info producer vs. consumer paradigm mentioned.
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
US gov strongly pushing mobile services as well; will be a vital tool for interaction
(I don't understand why he claims that more so in the US than Europe, maybe just ignorance?)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Interesting: YouTube is the 2nd largest serach enginE!
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@troppone US oficials tend to miss that many of the solutions they implement have been running in europe for ages ....
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
http://usa.gov is the most visited website of the administration.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Usa.gov - major amount of users SEARCH, and getting good results is strongly related to participation => good search engines create trust!
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
exploration + analytics are getting combined
keeping things SIMPLE, language etc. => policy language alienates from participation
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Fail fast! I really wish we could get this attitude into the Gov!
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
"Why are we doing this?"
To provide a real public avenue.
Open Government impact
* mass insight
* mass problem solving
* mass customization
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Yeah @cozach , that's why I appreciated C.Lukensmeyer in Tallin, she knew... :)
but of course there's a ton to learn from the US as well.
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
This should not be considered as a one-time trial. Instead agencies and the government need to think how they are setting up a structure
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@troppone - Yeah, but Europe and the US need to start comparing notes, instead of reinventing the wheel every time :)
cozach commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
"We love the score cards!"
- No one in the government wants to be in the red area.
+ bonus point system leads to the agencies to take risks to push forward.
<- to change behaviour.
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@cozach +1 (that means in Qaiku language that I agree with you)
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
DataMasher, govpulse e.g. mentioned
High-value data sets...hmm, how do you define "high value data set" anyway, isn't that kinda personal too?
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Sidenote. Bothers me a bit this "_my_ organisation did this this...", why not just call it our organisation. Not my style of leadership... :)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Creating tools for agencies has been immensely succesfull, was cheap too!
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
OpenGovTracker made by 2 NASA persons dureing the 4 day shutdown of Washington DC (the big snowstorm)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
AmericaSpeaks and Ascentum mentioned, 10 questions to ask before starting dialog
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@cozach oh no, it's not a bird! It's a kidney! :D
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
Starbucks crowdsourcing mentioned - how can the government create more interesting crowdsourcing things to have people spend time with the gov, not Starbucks :)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
challenges and contests mentioned as a great way for engagement, mentions also video case, YouTube videos made about usa.gov
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
"Lets not tackle the most difficult issues at first. Lets start with simple tasks."
aharju commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
FedSpace - a new social intranet for US federal employees
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
among the advice to the governments: "people listen to others, not you"
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@troppone, yes it's definitely on the dev list :)
eholmila commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
analytics and privacy is a big issue - having to meet Google & others execs all the time...
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@troppone good reporting - plse keep it coming
could you plse ask about open data and democrazy: Is it possible to model how information and knowledge spillovers may allow other organizations to develop new combinatory innovations which, in turn, may feed additional combinatory innovations, and so on? I think such "chain-reactions" of combinatory innovations could be an important benefit of opening up public data. Could one assess the macro-level benefits of open data by varying the assumptions concerning such spillover effects?
hyvaelama commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@hyvaelama just asked some questions about open data but now out of time...but maybe at lunch.
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
I asked:
what's your best "fast failure"?
- make failure transparent
- fed space, has turned to be really difficult
Has open data been able to spawn new business?
- silicon valley, 50 entrepreneurs met, 48-64hrs
Competing with Starbucks? How govs can tap into peoples brainpower like the commercial companies
- government is creating a competitive environment
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@troppone is there any numbers of new jobs/revenue flows created?
hyvaelama commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
@hyvaelama had a chat with McClure, said no quantitative data exists yet, but pressure to show fgiures by end Sep (end of fiscal year...)
troppone commented on posted to #seminaarikannu 11.06.2010 (en)
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