#somus

ping @saarikko, @linkola, @visualradio, @pe3, @apoikola, @ubiq, @aharju - if you're available

I'm here, also irl :)

@linkola IRL, so are @priio, @oilis, some 20-25 of us all in all. Good morning, all!

About the program
~9.10-10: introduction of participants, introduction of Somus- ja EPACE-projects
~10-11: group work: immigrant media issues, solution ideas, and services
11-12: presentation and discussion of ideas

@priio introduces SOMUS - http://somus.vtt.fi

UTA -Reeta Pöyhtäri tutkii maahanmuuttajat mediasta -teemalla, myös Somus-ihmisiä

edit: Reeta researches immigrant media - real-time Fin-Eng translation forgetting sometimes... :)

Somus & EPACE will implement some idea to a pilot stage - all ideas presented are free - "steal", collaborate, develop...whatever!

@priio esittelee sosiaalisen median piirteitä ja välineitä

Speaking of tools that support different languages all your Qaikus are marked to be in Finnish @troppone ;)

I'll switch to English

Maria Wakeham and Laura Ahokas presenting EPACE (from Min. of Justice, dept. of Democracy) -
http://www.kansanvalta.fi/Etusivu/Tut...

Thanks @thin, that's an advanced feature I haven't found yet :)

EPACE is looking for good practices related to active citizen participation around Europe. eDemocracy one theme.
==> testing of some concepts here in Finland

Building a European network,

set of tools, best practices, etc. to be used later

currently analysis of good practices from other countries just about done

pilots early 2010

goal of this workshop is to make sure the Somus-/EPACE-pilot has a concrete link to existing needs/issues

around the theme of
- how immigrants can get information in general
- how to increase participation

Other scoping criteria may include: language, regional/geographic area etc.

"Immigrants" is a very heterogenous group! This is often forgotten.

In the metropolitan Helsinki, Russian is the largest foreign language group.

MoniHeli will become an umbrella organization of various immigrant organizations.

some examples presented, e.g. "Welcome to Birmingham" in UK.
(more links to follow, remember @troppone)

Some questions to the group work:
- what are currently obstacles to participation
- what's good, what's not
- immigrants are not just "target audience", but rather as participants
- should we target, and how
- 2-day dialogue
- how to involve native finns, too

• "inclusion - participation -impact" as goals

Introductions-

Pirjo Tuulikukka - Helka Ry. umbrella org of 75 inhabitant organizations, lots of active seniors, "kotikaupunkipolku" (Russian version of this was a successs)

Jussi Linkola - Metropolia, project manager in research&dev (in practice social media), Voimaa - voimavaroja maahanmuuttajista as a current project, how to get tools for helping immigrants in their "career paths"

Niklas Wilhelmsson .- Min of Justice, Dept of Dem. ; EPACE involvement; currently a democracy development guidlines -paper in process, immigrants involved in this; www.kansanvalta.fi is part of Niklas's work too, currently not SO much about immigrants there yet. Also: together with Palmenia, and Estonian/Swedish partners have applied a project for EU funding around this theme.

Marko Latvanen - from http://www.Suomi.fi ; large (1-year) development project going on! Planning together with Somus how suomi.fi could be more participative, also cities and towns involved. In 1 year, all public services will be in one place in 3 languages. Supports http://www.infopankki.fi, too. Also involved in Apps4Dem competition, publishing data catalog, will keep on doing that! Currently in Facebook also!

Tuula Joronen - Helsinki researcher around integration politics, participation research has been done, a new project in planning around the development of dialogue, needs a local case to study.

Oili Salminen - Min of Justice, Dep of Democracy, http://www.otakantaa.fi is one of Oili's projects. In Facebook also, been over 1,5 years. Upcoming: a "participation environment" (local + national) under construction, this will have SoMe elements

Eilina Gusatiniksy- Spektr magazine - offers a link to people, who don't always have access to internet.
(suomi.ru has existed for 9 years or so, although no-one has been responsible -> conflicting answers...)

NN / MoniHeli - Democracy workshop with 40+ orgs, Hanasaari meeting with Swedish participants + public sector folks, planning on making a portal for orgs

Mani Tjurin - MoniHeli, now potentially starting a "kotouttamisprojekti", involving Humak, etc. ; starting with research around daily conditions, social media could be part of this

Maija Karjalainen - Min of Just, Dep of Dem, EPACE

Teemu Haapalehto - Espoon kaupunki, working with immigrant issues, new multicultural program in the city of Espoo, key goals and statements around that written, part of infopankki, also involved with Jolly Dragon

Panu Artemjeff - equality issues, in Min of Interior affairs, working also with ngo's, how ngo's and the gov dialogue could go up

Henni Ahvenlampi - infopankki.fi, http://www.selma.fi (for foreign metropolitan workers) , "neoselma" - language studies for finland, chemical bureau (e.g. relocation)...and others...:) ; coordinating also with "käyttäjäraati", a "panel of users" who are involved. In FinlandForum, too. In JollyDragon, CouchSurfing.

Ahmet Sari - from Hanken, user panel of Infopankki, 5 years' experience as an immigrant

Martin Eric Racine - participatns in this "board" - 10+ years in Finland + Estonia, involved also as political parties' expert in immigr. issues; translations...

Group work

@priio introduced very lightly some ideas, but does not want to go to those...fresh ideas instead!

Goal is to write stories around: issue, alternative solutions, service idea, target group

e.g.
Problem - Finnish news difficult to read
Solution - users tag news in their own language, enabling e.g. auto-translation
Target group - people who want/need to learn Finnish (!), together with media houses

Group 3 (others will not be presented until the discussion part...)

suggested that a SPECIFIC target group is mentioned, as an example, disabled immigrants

Taival - Invalidiliitto mentioned (this was a disabled immigrants' project)

mentioned that F2F is SO needed still, e.g. http://www.infopankki.fi is a very "Finnish" approach. E.g. about 800 of 10000 Somalians use Infopankki

Learning cafe -approach: first f2f, later discussions and presence in telemedia

NOte, e.g. for Somalians, radio tends to be an important media

Technology does not help alone in the dialogue:
- e.g. blogs difficult -> "Finns are not interested in immigrants' blogs"

Finland is a very "literacy"-oriented culture, "verbal"-oriented cultures seem to want a different approach - e,g, radio, etc. NOT emails, web, etc.

=> video or audio could be interesting format

one Taik master's work (?) around podcasting mentioned.

everyone has a mobile phone - mobile phone could be easier than a PC

could be one element of inclusion

participation seems to need very literal participation (in e.g. eConsultation, eParticipation processes)

verbal (incl. video) approach seems one element to promote inclusion

http://www.selma-net.fi/

mentioned that some public sector (e.g. police) tends to give better service when asking in "bad English" vs. "bad Finnish". On the other hand, city officials seem to totally ignore e.g. English emails.

One argument: Helsingin Sanomat may not feel as "trusted", because it's the "one voice", Pravda. (when you're coming from e.g. a metropol (it sometimes also feels "too local").

Another: free newspapers are well-read

Still an enormous need to educate people just related to computer skills in general

Mentioned that SMS-based news could be efficient/cheap to produce multilingually, but would be VERY useful, YLE news. Ping @tuija @pirkka

"Increasing multicultural co-working" - ESR project; Otaniemi International Network => examples of projects that include immigrants well

Otaniemessä myös "The Chinese List"

Participatory "invitation" are received differently heavily according to trust

Key issue in eServices: designed by Finns and institutions - not involving the real users!

@troppone: sulle pitäis antaa suuri liverapomitalli!

Heh, thanks @pe3, always wanted to be a reporter

introduction of ideas

Group 1

• language issues
  
  • involvement of NGO's in translation/facilitation
• participation: how to get finns interested to immigrants
  
  • e.g. politics, it's matter of us all,
  • e.g. recycling, it's all
  • http://www.reilumedia.fi (e.g. tutoring!!! help by Finnish journalists) & YLE good
• to immigrants to become "decision-makers" in the public sector
  
  • not just commenting in projects
  • too often all these projects are initiated by public sector etc.
  • often Fin-Swe skills needed in jobs => e.g. prerequisite in ministeries! (interesting note!)

Group 2

1. related language issue
- "open-source translator" (like http://translate.google.com))
- would need "global" participation

2. related to inclusion to local community etc.
- "positive news stream"
- short stories made by immigrants

3. "ask anything"
- Finns don't know much about foreigners
- anyone could ask

Group 3

Idea 1:
- disabled immigrants
- new tools, not just "the traditional internet"
- public sector should be more aware of accessiblity (in participation)

Idea 2:
- joint portal for immigrant ngo's
- audiences spread very widely
(on the other hand, there are SO many sites already)

Idea 3:
- Finland is too "literal culture" -oriented, let's make it more audio(visual)
- mobile as one interface, better than PC, radio/podcasting
- Infopankki would be very interested in this
- "call to news", etc.

Now we're voting on the ideas

Most votes (each person had 3) are given to:

• open-source translator (crowdsourcing translations)
• verbal/auditive multilingual news
• ngo's as news translators
• activation of Finns together with immigrants

some final comments:

• http://www.sanakirja.fi - now 15 languages (like the key groups in Finland)

• currently lacking common "public sector" terminology between languages
• what kind of portal would be lively enough - is there large enough audiences, distribution of languages etc.
• Google translator difficult, too expensive to get extensive lingual coverage
• even more important than the language issue is that it's done by the people/users, not administrative organizations

I guess you mean http://www.sanakirja.org/ ?

thanks @troppone komppaan @pe3 :a liverapomitali Teemulle!

Yeah, thanks @thin, you're right :)

Thanks @apoikola. Kun olin melkein koko ajan porukan edessä, ja screeni heijastettiin kaikkien nähtäväksi, oli pakko rapoilla ahkerasti ja tasapuolisesti :)

ojensin Teemulle virtuaalimitalin face to face, kun olin paikalla :)

@linkola: kiitos!

@troppone tuo edessä oleminenhan on toimintatapainnovaatio itsessään :)

hienoa @troppone

@apoikola, monesti on puhuttu eri tapahtumissa, että olisi hyvä heijastaa seinälle Qaikuilu. Nyt sitten oli se mahis (tosin lyhyt piuha => edessäseisonta). Harmi vaan ei oikein tullut nyt kommentteja, syystä tai toisesta, luult. ihmistet too busy esmes. Toiv. juba jatkuu.

@troppone: joo ei ollu aikaa ja kun asia oli uusi / ei ollu pohjustettu, olis vaatinu paljon nopeaa perehtymistä, että olis voinu sanoo jotain

@pe3 point taken, jonkinlainen pohjustus ehkä puuttui.

@pe3 Sua varsinkin ehkä saattais kiinnostaa esille tullut asia, että suomalainen kulttuuri (ylipäätään ja erityisesti esim. osallistumisessa/vaikuttamisessa) on kovin kirjallista luonteeltaan - versus esim. monet afrikkalaiset kulttuurit. => vaikuttaa osallistumisformaatteihin, hallinto esim. puhuu kansalaisten "kuulemisesta", vaikka tämä kuuleminen on itse asiassa pelkästään kirjallista!

mulla meni myös ohi tältä päivältä... vahvempi ennakkomarkkinointi ensikerralla ;)

Voivoivoi....tuonne olisi pitänyt ehtiä. Paikalla monta tuttua ja uutta ihmistä. Aiheet erittäin kiinnostavia!

Kiitos superraposta @troppone !

@troppone: toi tekstilähtöisyys kuulostaa tosi mielenkiintoiselta. Tässä olis myös saumaa formaattiajattelulle. Lisäksi toi ilmaisten sanakirjojen sanaston laajentamisen organisoiminen kuulostaa mielenkiintoiselta. En nyt muista mikä palvelu käytti mitä sanastoa. Miten se käytännössä vois mennä?