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apoikola  

At MindTrek: AppsFi-Opengov miniworkshop Thu 1.10. at 13.30-15 (room 7.). Live report will be here!

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apoikola posted to #somus 29.09.2009 (fi)

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pe3  

sorry. i'll switch to english

pe3 commented on posted to #somus 29.09.2009 (fi)

apoikola  

At MindTrek conference Tampere we will organize the kick off meeting for the Finnish open data ecosystem. We have invited Apps for Democracy Finland contest finalists and jury members, but the meeting is open for everyone interested about the topic. Live report from the meeting will be at Qaiku micro blogging platform.

Related discussions at Qaiku:
- http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/so...
- http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/so...

apoikola commented on posted to #somus 29.09.2009 (en)

troppone  

Juho Makkonen / @Kusti / Late no more

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Simupedia esittäytyy....

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Eli meneillään apps for democracy finalists meeting - difficulties with it...changing to english

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Auli Harju @aharju, working in Somus, and on her Ph.D in communications

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Pekka Koponen, Forum Virium Helsinki, enhancing the ecosystem esp in Helsinki

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Antti Virolainen, Late No More -contest submission, also working in OtaSizzle/Kassi, http://kassi.sizl.org

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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@totoroki, Sitra, strateginen uusiutumisen yksikkö, belief in open data

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Semantum / Simupedia contest submission, telling a Roskilde simulation and people participation example

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Kai Kousa, "uniform interface for public data" submission

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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NN, Arkkitehti, kaupunkisuunnittelija,

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Taru Rastas, LVM, implementing "Arjen tietoyhteiskunta" strategy, not quite revolution, but evolution

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Antti Eskola, TEM, innovaatiot, working related to user-driven innovation

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Antti also representing Finland in EU in some IT issues

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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@pe3 Aalto researcher and net activist, one Tutkimusparvi initiator

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

fear of sharing - so annoying

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Saana, from contest submission http://www.asialista.fi , produces local open data in Porvoo (city counsel related work)

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

(note: I hate @apoikola's Mac I'm using...) :)

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Samuel Rinnetmäki, Eläketietokeskus

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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themes mentioned so far: participatory democracy, open business, strategy transformation, local and national levels of participation and data

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Samuel also telling about the background of tietopankki.fi (3d modelin) + augmented with ugc / data

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Tapio Nurminen, bg in History, Nomen est Omen -service, showing how interesting data can be found related to names

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

note: very interesting data utilised business

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Q: is some party actually against open data?

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Ari Tammi. Helsinki city,

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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Helsinki strategy includes participation interactivity,

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

17.11. Verkkodemokratiaseuran tapahtuma Tampereella, incl. ideas on "the end of representational democracy" http://www.verkkodemokratia.fi/

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Helsinki: upcoming (like Porvoo) some precommenting of city councel agendas, that people can comment

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

stadi-tv citizen tv coming up

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

vaikuttamistaidot.fi , aloitekanava.fi

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Now new Finnish ict strategy being developed

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

@ubiq introducing himself

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

The whole group (20+ people) quite thrilled meet up! Way to go!

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

@pe3 presenting a few slides (note @JyrkiKasvi had to go Helsinki to the parliamant => some changes)

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

We are in the middle of a revolution (towards a true info society), but we are still structured in industrial society ways

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

hierachies explained, as well as "en ole teekkari" -badges

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

complex, wicked problems introduced

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

trends:
1, free (low energy, low transaction cost) communication
2. rise of collaborative, educated people

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

microcontributions mentioned

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

"this is the best thing that has happened in MindTrek in years" - wow, what a praise

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Pekka mentioned that business related to public (closed) data is small, vs. potentials in business (research being done)

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

group discussions

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Summary

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Benefits of open data
- revenue from data is less than benefits of new business
- selforganisation will cause new services it never thought ot:

what to do:
- there are bottleneck instances => persuade these
- first cases, incl. business case
(would need to show some (measurable) value

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Citizen and data producer in direct contact
Media still exists - media ("data journalism") may make new kind of revenue
NGO:s role...data is too personified, will be easier in the future

Data producers and aggregators need to be involved
Examples and evangelizing
Reasons to invest - "open data certificate" (like environmental certificate)

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

also mentioned PSI, Inspire -directives

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

teroheiskanen  

siellä taitaa olla positiivisen oloista meininkiä, peukku tälle

teroheiskanen commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

http://www.verkkodemokratia.fi/ - Finnish association of e-democracy

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Note http://www.opengov.fi coming

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

troppone  

Getting my personal data from various public services
Information cards mentioned

troppone commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

pe3  

my slides - sorry for not having them time to customize the specifically for this event.

pe3 commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

pe3  

Jyrki Kasvin terveiset Apps for Democracy Finland kilpailijoille: http://www.vimeo.com/6847874

pe3 commented on posted to #somus 01.10.2009 (fi)

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